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		<title>By: Change&#8230;the 6-letter 4-letter word aka Wishes, Hopes, and Dreams the Remix &#124; Leading From The Heart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Change&#8230;the 6-letter 4-letter word aka Wishes, Hopes, and Dreams the Remix &#124; Leading From The Heart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] read Jose&#8217;s post The Great Dissenters and I think of the discomfort the teachers in his school are experiencing and I think of the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Columbus Education Association &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Let's Carnival-- The Carnival of Education!</title>
		<link>http://thejosevilson.com/2008/01/03/the-great-dissenters/comment-page-1/#comment-3248</link>
		<dc:creator>Columbus Education Association &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Let's Carnival-- The Carnival of Education!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 04:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] If an unjust law is no law at all, then Jose asks the important question: who is bold enough to disobey? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: DMB</title>
		<link>http://thejosevilson.com/2008/01/03/the-great-dissenters/comment-page-1/#comment-3231</link>
		<dc:creator>DMB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 04:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to admit, I don&#039;t know the issues that are facing New York&#039;s teachers currently. I have taught in New York for about seven years and in Ohio for six. The issues that each state faces are different and change over time. Every couple of years or so, there are attempts at new policies and new catch-phrases and I tend to not pay much mind. 

But pardon me for my ignorance.

In essence, I can say that the state government&#039;s attempts to regulate and control what is largely a societal problem (not an educational problem) will not succeed. There will simply be chaos and resentment on behalf of the teachers on top of the chaos and apathy that exists in the schools.

The new policies willnot last long and there will be a desperate race to establish more blame (which will fall on the teachers, of course.) and then there will be new policies and the same cycle will repeat itself.

Teachers have always suffered the brunt of these so-called &#039;solutions&#039;.
   
But I applaud those of you who decide to be vocal and fight for what is right. Like I said, I was a pretty vocal, rebellious person and after a while the bitterness and rebellion just got the best of me. I think there needs to be a healthy BALANCE between speaking out, resistance as well as the understanding that the &#039;system&#039; has never been designed to aid the teachers, in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to admit, I don&#8217;t know the issues that are facing New York&#8217;s teachers currently. I have taught in New York for about seven years and in Ohio for six. The issues that each state faces are different and change over time. Every couple of years or so, there are attempts at new policies and new catch-phrases and I tend to not pay much mind. </p>
<p>But pardon me for my ignorance.</p>
<p>In essence, I can say that the state government&#8217;s attempts to regulate and control what is largely a societal problem (not an educational problem) will not succeed. There will simply be chaos and resentment on behalf of the teachers on top of the chaos and apathy that exists in the schools.</p>
<p>The new policies willnot last long and there will be a desperate race to establish more blame (which will fall on the teachers, of course.) and then there will be new policies and the same cycle will repeat itself.</p>
<p>Teachers have always suffered the brunt of these so-called &#8217;solutions&#8217;.</p>
<p>But I applaud those of you who decide to be vocal and fight for what is right. Like I said, I was a pretty vocal, rebellious person and after a while the bitterness and rebellion just got the best of me. I think there needs to be a healthy BALANCE between speaking out, resistance as well as the understanding that the &#8217;system&#8217; has never been designed to aid the teachers, in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Jose</title>
		<link>http://thejosevilson.com/2008/01/03/the-great-dissenters/comment-page-1/#comment-3221</link>
		<dc:creator>Jose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 08:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alisha, I was more referring to specific incompetent administrators, not to administrators who do their jobs properly.

And yes, Kel, that might be exactly what it takes. A coalition between the parents, students, and faculty rebelling against the system. Whoops, did I say that out loud?

The reason we should care, DMB, is because we could be stripped of that power of autonomy to inspire in a matter of a few bills, and that&#039;s dangerous. We&#039;ll continue to have even more idealists turn into fatalists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alisha, I was more referring to specific incompetent administrators, not to administrators who do their jobs properly.</p>
<p>And yes, Kel, that might be exactly what it takes. A coalition between the parents, students, and faculty rebelling against the system. Whoops, did I say that out loud?</p>
<p>The reason we should care, DMB, is because we could be stripped of that power of autonomy to inspire in a matter of a few bills, and that&#8217;s dangerous. We&#8217;ll continue to have even more idealists turn into fatalists.</p>
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		<title>By: Alisha9</title>
		<link>http://thejosevilson.com/2008/01/03/the-great-dissenters/comment-page-1/#comment-3217</link>
		<dc:creator>Alisha9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 16:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not just teachers. . . a lot of building administrators feel the same kinds of &quot;restrictions on professionalism&quot; as do teachers.  When you receive mandates of what &quot;BETTER BE&quot; going on in your building &quot;OR ELSE&quot; (whether or not what BETTER BE makes sense for your particular community). . . it can be one of the most frustrating catch 22&#039;s . . .

Interesting point though from Pre_K  &quot;. . .teachers’ will strike over money but will not take to the streets over educational policy. . .&quot;  Is that what it&#039;s going to take, really??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not just teachers. . . a lot of building administrators feel the same kinds of &#8220;restrictions on professionalism&#8221; as do teachers.  When you receive mandates of what &#8220;BETTER BE&#8221; going on in your building &#8220;OR ELSE&#8221; (whether or not what BETTER BE makes sense for your particular community). . . it can be one of the most frustrating catch 22&#8217;s . . .</p>
<p>Interesting point though from Pre_K  &#8220;. . .teachers’ will strike over money but will not take to the streets over educational policy. . .&#8221;  Is that what it&#8217;s going to take, really??</p>
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		<title>By: pre_k</title>
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		<dc:creator>pre_k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 00:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I once said in a post about a year or so ago how teachers&#039; will strike over money but will not take to the streets over educational policy. I lived through a teachers&#039; strike in jersey city and personally i thought it was a sad state of affairs. while they all fought for teachers rights i don&#039;t think no one in that union thought about the students in that city.

While it is illegal for public service servants to strike in new york city I don&#039;t think sitting in teachers lounges amounts to much of a resistance either. of course people will say i do not understand the climate or circumstances of being a teacher and truth of the matter is i probably do not (even though i have two aunts, a mother(of sorts), and numerous friends that are teachers) but i do know what standing up for one&#039;s beliefs is about. I know what having some conviction is about. And playing it safe is not how either of these things work.

If teachers in good conscience can tell a kid not to be afraid to stand out and buck the power structure that is popularity then they should be just as willing to buck the power structure that is the administration. 

your words seem to come to mind here, sometimes we got to be willing to risk a little bit, sometimes we have to take our chances, sometimes it makes sense to &quot;walk on water&quot;. 

of course there is probably a lot that can be said in this regard but you know i am not about to blog in your comment box... piece and blessings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I once said in a post about a year or so ago how teachers&#8217; will strike over money but will not take to the streets over educational policy. I lived through a teachers&#8217; strike in jersey city and personally i thought it was a sad state of affairs. while they all fought for teachers rights i don&#8217;t think no one in that union thought about the students in that city.</p>
<p>While it is illegal for public service servants to strike in new york city I don&#8217;t think sitting in teachers lounges amounts to much of a resistance either. of course people will say i do not understand the climate or circumstances of being a teacher and truth of the matter is i probably do not (even though i have two aunts, a mother(of sorts), and numerous friends that are teachers) but i do know what standing up for one&#8217;s beliefs is about. I know what having some conviction is about. And playing it safe is not how either of these things work.</p>
<p>If teachers in good conscience can tell a kid not to be afraid to stand out and buck the power structure that is popularity then they should be just as willing to buck the power structure that is the administration. </p>
<p>your words seem to come to mind here, sometimes we got to be willing to risk a little bit, sometimes we have to take our chances, sometimes it makes sense to &#8220;walk on water&#8221;. </p>
<p>of course there is probably a lot that can be said in this regard but you know i am not about to blog in your comment box&#8230; piece and blessings.</p>
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		<title>By: DMB</title>
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		<dc:creator>DMB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 18:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I so agree with the sentiments of pissedoffteacher. I haven&#039;t taught in America in two years now, though, and it is incredible how much of the daily frustrations I&#039;ve forgotten. I do remember being quite a rebel at my last school. Wasn&#039;t cool, though. Can&#039;t become so antagonistic that you become this argumentative shadow of the former person that you used to be--damaging the relationships with your administrators and so forth.

What&#039;s the good in that?

In the end, I think we just need to keep in mind that Politics are Politics and that is what runs our schools. But our job is not to worry about that. Our job is to directly impact the lives of the students whose lives we touch daily.

In that sense, we&#039;ll always be a thousand steps ahead of adminstration, politicians and all that other ying yang, so who cares?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I so agree with the sentiments of pissedoffteacher. I haven&#8217;t taught in America in two years now, though, and it is incredible how much of the daily frustrations I&#8217;ve forgotten. I do remember being quite a rebel at my last school. Wasn&#8217;t cool, though. Can&#8217;t become so antagonistic that you become this argumentative shadow of the former person that you used to be&#8211;damaging the relationships with your administrators and so forth.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s the good in that?</p>
<p>In the end, I think we just need to keep in mind that Politics are Politics and that is what runs our schools. But our job is not to worry about that. Our job is to directly impact the lives of the students whose lives we touch daily.</p>
<p>In that sense, we&#8217;ll always be a thousand steps ahead of adminstration, politicians and all that other ying yang, so who cares?</p>
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		<title>By: Change&#8230;the 6-letter 4-letter word &#171; Leading from the Heart: teaching and learning in today&#8217;s classroom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Change&#8230;the 6-letter 4-letter word &#171; Leading from the Heart: teaching and learning in today&#8217;s classroom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 17:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Tracy Rosen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tracy Rosen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 14:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like scary times. Also kinda sounds like you are approaching that still space before a storm.  Action may feel stilled right now, let&#039;s hope it isn&#039;t for long - it can&#039;t be.

Also, need to let you know that I love the way the words flow in this:
... the talkers lay out the talking points for us, and where once a choice actually meant a choice to voice, this implicitly means these choices are someone else’s ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like scary times. Also kinda sounds like you are approaching that still space before a storm.  Action may feel stilled right now, let&#8217;s hope it isn&#8217;t for long &#8211; it can&#8217;t be.</p>
<p>Also, need to let you know that I love the way the words flow in this:<br />
&#8230; the talkers lay out the talking points for us, and where once a choice actually meant a choice to voice, this implicitly means these choices are someone else’s &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: pissedoffteacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>pissedoffteacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 02:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Morale does suck.  It wasn&#039;t always like this.  I started teaching in an inner city school.  We worked hard and loved our kids.  We tutored after school and before school (by choice--not for any extra money), we put on shows to raise money for them, we played basketball with them.  Things were rough but we loved our jobs and our students and they knew it.

Things are different now.  You can&#039;t be in a room alone with a student.  You can&#039;t hug a student who is going through bad times.  You are being forced to prepare every kid for college when some kids can barely read and write.

I liked it better when administrators hid in their offices and let teachers do their jobs without interference.  They trusted us to know what was best for our kids.  We learned by doing.  I started teaching when I was 20--the same age as some of my students.  I know I made mistakes but I also did lots of good things, things I will never be allowed to do again.

Nowadays, we have to worry about tests.   We have to worry about teaching in a horse shoe.  We have to do the &quot;work shop&quot; model.  We have to do so many things that have nothing to do with teaching or are detrimental to teaching that our teaching is hurt.

I&#039;ve tried to fight the system.  I&#039;m the rebel in my school.  My principal has told me to transfer (which I can&#039;t and won&#039;t do).  He doesn&#039;t care about my results or about what I do for the kids.  He only cares that I won&#039;t jump for him and that I keep on doing what I feel is right for my kids.  My fighting does no good.  I feel lost in this crazy system.  I feel like I am fighting a losing battle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morale does suck.  It wasn&#8217;t always like this.  I started teaching in an inner city school.  We worked hard and loved our kids.  We tutored after school and before school (by choice&#8211;not for any extra money), we put on shows to raise money for them, we played basketball with them.  Things were rough but we loved our jobs and our students and they knew it.</p>
<p>Things are different now.  You can&#8217;t be in a room alone with a student.  You can&#8217;t hug a student who is going through bad times.  You are being forced to prepare every kid for college when some kids can barely read and write.</p>
<p>I liked it better when administrators hid in their offices and let teachers do their jobs without interference.  They trusted us to know what was best for our kids.  We learned by doing.  I started teaching when I was 20&#8211;the same age as some of my students.  I know I made mistakes but I also did lots of good things, things I will never be allowed to do again.</p>
<p>Nowadays, we have to worry about tests.   We have to worry about teaching in a horse shoe.  We have to do the &#8220;work shop&#8221; model.  We have to do so many things that have nothing to do with teaching or are detrimental to teaching that our teaching is hurt.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve tried to fight the system.  I&#8217;m the rebel in my school.  My principal has told me to transfer (which I can&#8217;t and won&#8217;t do).  He doesn&#8217;t care about my results or about what I do for the kids.  He only cares that I won&#8217;t jump for him and that I keep on doing what I feel is right for my kids.  My fighting does no good.  I feel lost in this crazy system.  I feel like I am fighting a losing battle.</p>
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