In the middle of the heated debates about Governor Andrew Cuomo’s “bold, disruptive” changes to education (more charters, higher emphasis on test scores for teacher evaluations, and the voluminous echo of firing bad teachers in exchange for money that ought to go to already underfunded schools), I sat down with City and State NY’s Gerson Borrero. Many New Yorkers might recognize him as one half of the NY1’s Political Rundown with Curtis Sliwa, and now he’s a senior editor at the Politico offshoot City and State NY.

We talk about everything from teachers of color in New York to why, in some ways, Governor Cuomo’s education policies might be worse than former mayor Michael Bloomberg’s.