Difficult For Whom: A Conversation about Conversations and Systems

By Jose Vilson | December 10, 2023

Difficult For Whom: A Conversation about Conversations and Systems

By Jose Vilson | December 10, 2023
Collection of banned books at a bookstore

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Recently, my son did an active-shooter drill at his school. I asked him how it went. He mentioned how it was fine, but a few students couldn’t be quiet.

I nodded, remembering my days as a middle school teacher when I’d have to insist that children be quiet when, developmentally, they’d want to shake the room. An active-shooter drill means that teachers have to lock their doors, cover their door windows, command students to hide in a corner or a less obvious spot in the classroom, and ask for perfect silence. From a professional standpoint, I understand these drills (fire drills, lockdown drills, active shooter drills, etc.) help us prepare for emergencies and serve to instill a sense of routine for everyone in our schools. Yet, the fact that we need certain types of drills in our society feels gruesome given the type of work we’re attempting in schools. Too much of the rhetoric out there suggests that students should both be protected from sensitive conversations and be prepared for what happens when we don’t have those conversations.

Two questions we don’t ask often enough when it comes to our schools: “What will we do about this in the long term?” and “How did we get here?”

Too many people say things like “Well, I want my child to feel safe in a classroom,” appealing to the lowest common denominator. Yes, of course, most caregivers want safety. But where the argument usually falls apart is what people determine as safety. The word “safety” is relative to multiple factors, usually involving identity and social context. Where most parents agree on some measures of safety (“Can my child turn to someone when they’re getting bullied?” or “Do they have a designated person they can trust in the building when I’m not there?”), things get more precarious as we ask for finer details. Where one set of parents want to prevent their children from hearing about society’s problems, another set of parents knows their children will face those problems and wish to gather the tools to survive and perhaps thrive in this life.

I get that values ultimately determine what we want from schools, but I don’t get how we continue to put forth one dominant set of values that continually harm us all, particularly our schools.

In the news, conservative policymakers rebuke some collection of abortion rights, civil rights for people of color and/or LBGTQIA+ folks, and other calls for dignified treatment, clumsily jeer them as “woke,” and go on with the status quo. Even though most of the shenanigans are deeply unpopular to the majority of Americans, our country has always created a well-oiled slide for “MAGA”-identifying people while human rights need mass social movements behind them time and again. This dynamic pushes more innocuous initiatives like DEI and multiculturalism to the margins of every industry in the country. Especially education.

So, while books flew off the shelves and donations to POC-led groups came in the millions, the country took much of that progress back and regressed in many circles to 1930s ideologies. Not every classroom or school was ready to take the next step in dismantling racism. But for those that were, this not only silenced the white educators and made them more fearful to attempt this work, it also reified that educators of color didn’t belong in front of any students, even those who looked like their own.

That’s ultimately why, when we call a racial or other identity conversation “difficult,” it just means that the students we’re most likely protecting are those who would benefit from reifying the status quo. Brown students don’t benefit from not mentioning the waves of asylum seekers into our cities and schools, as mayors and governors blame them for their jurisdiction’s problems. Black students don’t benefit from not learning about slavery, Reconstruction, and/or human rights in the form of the Black Lives Matter movement. Native American students don’t benefit from lessons that just stop at land acknowledgments (at best). Christians don’t benefit from learning corrupted versions of Christianity that don’t point toward authentic peace, justice, and love. For that matter, we don’t benefit from not learning more about Islam, Judaism, Sikhism, Buddhism, and other religions. (Especially true since any Americans used to think that the separation of church and state was critical to a burgeoning democracy.)

But perhaps most critically: White students don’t learn when the American project professes to protect them, but are really just preserving the status quo that gets us further away from a truly shared humanity. Emphasis on sharing.

Today, I took my family and some of EduColor’s executive board to see Origin, the Ava Duvernay-directed movie based on the events surrounding Isabel Wilkerson’s book Caste. The harrowing film gave us glimpses in world history that one might initially think children shouldn’t know. But, if it’s one thing I know about our world, it’s that I rather my son find about these events from his parents than a distorted version of events from elsewhere. Until America learns its lessons, I’ll continue to teach my son and any person in my sphere of influence how we got here. I will continue speaking up in service of the oppressed and stand in solidarity with those who have also sought to hold the line at truth.

We can’t treat the specter of inhumanity as normal. The “difficult” conversation for this world is the one where we look at the suffering of others, learn what it would take to minimize that harm, and imagine a society that would never allow for this.

Justice is a routine that keeps us all safe.


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  1. Dear José: Huge respect to your stance here in this Conversation. My wife and I – both of us retired teachers – were recently in both Canada and the US. First Nations in both countries and the history of Slavery and beyond took our especial interest – not because we were pointing fingers – but because we were drawing comparisons with aspects of both in ourt own land – Australia. What is known in North America as the Doctrine of Discovery – from some Pope several centuries earlier dividing up the world between Spain and Portugal – and so on – was known in Australia where the First Peoples’ presence was simply ignored and the entire land called “Terra Nullius” (a Latin phrase essentially declaring it empty land). One of Australia’s greatest social commentators is David Marr – he’s just published a book – “Killing for Country – A Family Story” which details how the wealthy minor sons of English landed gentry, “noble” families – came to this “New Land” – were granted vast swathes of land in what is now northern NSW and what became Queensland – into the Northern Territory – governed till 1911 by South Australia – across into Western Australia – who then demanded that the various colonial governments rid “their” holdings of the “troublesome” “blacks” – via what came to be euphemistically known as “dispersal” – but actually massacres. David Marr in his research on family history had found that he was descended from those who were not only land grabbers (we call them to-day “squatters” and their strategically connected family links – the “squattocracy”) but also two brothers in particular who led regiments, troops of “Native Police” – far from their own lands – brutalised and encouraged by access to women and alcohol – who did many of the thousands upon thousands of killings. That was the reason he included the subtitle: A Family Story. I recently wrote a review for the on-line journal “IndependentAustralia” (sic) in which I began with some of my own family stories – with aspects both sides of the story. In Philadelphia we visited a Museum – the Museum of the Revolution – a revelatory examination of African Americans, slavery, etc – of early families no longer slaves. At St Peter & St Paul Cathedral I spoke with a greeter who explained about a woman, family name Drexel – canonised as St Katharine – who did good works in terms of the provision of education for Native Americans and of “Black” children, too. And we visited the Museum of African Americans, too – one part of the exhibit showing a sunflower dancing on the grave of a Klansman. Nicely ironic. And in Washington DC – apart from the extraordinary Smithsonian – Museum of the American Indian (sic) – I wander through George Washington U… because we are heading next to Fort Myers where a kinship connection did some of his studies while at Howard U doing his Masters in Engineering. He once worked 20 years with the Long Island Railroad Co. Until 9/11 – when a whole team under him died – his own “escape” miraculous – someone had forgotten the plans and he’d turned around after crossing the Brooklyn Bridge to return to the office in Jamaica to get them…and so it goes. He’s like my little brother – (his words) born in the St Vincent and Grenadines archipelago but raised as a Hurricane refugee on Trinidad – his wife Trinidadian – kinship links stretching across the Caribbean. The chance to see Florida through his eyes – invaluable. The State made ugly by the presence of Mar-a-Lago and of its governor – the banner of books. I made a long list of those books – of the authors and titles I have read – and in some cases taught in schools – finding friends – Australian and from the US – among them. There were innumerable conversations with excellent guides and so many lovely people met throughout our travels which I am just now beginning to write up from my notes, that I can only think that the negative voices are as you suggest noisy and influential and few – but essentially bullies trying to corral the conversations we need to have to give respect and dignity to all. I am so heartened, José – by your post to-day. When my wife was originally planning our travels I had thought we might be close enough to NYC that I might try to catch up in person – but as it happened we were upstate New Paltz – our only contact with NYC was changing AMTRAK trains from Penn Station to the Moynihan Hall part – for our train to Philadelphia! (Next time?) With total respect, Jim KABLE

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  2. I’m reminded of the quote “Until the lions have their own historians, the history of the hunt will always glorify the hunter.” (Chinua Achebe, Nigerian novelist, poet, and critic). The powered make those decisions, imposing their vision/version of the world, to their ends.

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